tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post131697072587482730..comments2023-12-28T19:51:33.045-06:00Comments on All Toes in the Water: In Guns We TrustM. Steve Heartsillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08211281863465356959noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-44296410631131161902009-02-17T11:30:00.000-06:002009-02-17T11:30:00.000-06:00I'm joining this discussion late, but better late ...I'm joining this discussion late, but better late than never.<BR/><BR/>See, I remember the shooting at <A HREF="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C0CE1D9143CF935A2575AC0A96F958260" REL="nofollow">Wedgewood Baptist Church</A> in Ft. Worth, back in September, 1999. It was the evening rally after the <A HREF="http://www.syatp.com/" REL="nofollow">See You At The pole</A> event that morning, and there were over 150 teens in the sanctuary. The shooter walked in, asked "Is this where the praying is?" and then opened fire.<BR/><BR/>If someone had been "packing" during that rally, would they have been able to stop it sooner? Maybe, maybe not. There were many examples of God's protection during that shooting, though. Yes, some died and it was nowhere near the numer of bullets he fired at close range. Here's a <A HREF="http://www.greaterthings.com/News/wedgewood_shooting.htm" REL="nofollow">re-print of a letter</A> that the pastor sent out, a few months afterward to show how God was using the tragedy. <BR/><BR/>It's actually about removing churches from the state-protected list of sites where concealed handguns are banned. Schools and hospitals are still covered by the state law, but they are nudging churches out of the nest of general protection. But to Bernard's point, each individual establishment not covered by that general umbrella is still entitled to post the prohibition of concealed handguns, and by posting it, it is thereby illegal. <BR/><BR/>IMHO, it's more "separation of church and state" extremism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-12002607275920108712009-02-12T18:38:00.000-06:002009-02-12T18:38:00.000-06:00So...Heidi...have I given you something new to wor...So...Heidi...have I given you something new to worry about?M. Steve Heartsillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08211281863465356959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-75880058715692384932009-02-12T18:37:00.001-06:002009-02-12T18:37:00.001-06:00Michael...guns, Texas, wild west...all go hand in ...Michael...guns, Texas, wild west...all go hand in hand, don't they?M. Steve Heartsillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08211281863465356959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-46340309347866132312009-02-12T18:37:00.000-06:002009-02-12T18:37:00.000-06:00Rick...better be careful with your preaching...ste...Rick...better be careful with your preaching...step on toes and your toes may be shot off!M. Steve Heartsillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08211281863465356959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-7695638673861748842009-02-12T18:36:00.000-06:002009-02-12T18:36:00.000-06:00Bill...gives a new meaning to holy hugs! As you hu...Bill...gives a new meaning to holy hugs! As you hug, pat them down...M. Steve Heartsillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08211281863465356959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-82267222268702140972009-02-12T11:25:00.000-06:002009-02-12T11:25:00.000-06:00It doesn't bother me. Of course, I'm from Texas, ...It doesn't bother me. Of course, I'm from Texas, so having a gun is considered as much a part of life as a good steak.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, if anyone thinks there are no guns in churches, they are only kidding themselves. The fact of the matter is you can't get rid of all threats, even if you legislate against it. If people want to commit a crime, they will do it regardless of the law.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409526901970164753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-19817990749990873632009-02-12T09:45:00.000-06:002009-02-12T09:45:00.000-06:00Keep the guns out of the churches....period.Keep the guns out of the churches....period.Phil Hooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14613170792920440824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-78321951663157417532009-02-12T08:32:00.000-06:002009-02-12T08:32:00.000-06:00I think the only people who should be nervous are ...I think the only people who should be nervous are the pastors. "Give me a good sermon boy or you're done" [said in my best southern voice -- and I can do a good one since I'm from Ohio and all].<BR/><BR/>I also think what I don't know won't hurt me.<BR/><BR/>Wait one second now. Actually, that doesn't fit here because what I don't know actually can hurt me.<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. <BR/><BR/>Heidi ReedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-27751492321706587722009-02-12T08:22:00.000-06:002009-02-12T08:22:00.000-06:00Don't miss the point of the law.It's not whether t...Don't miss the point of the law.<BR/><BR/>It's not whether there should be concealed guns in churches.<BR/><BR/>It's whether the STATE has the right to tell churches that concealed weapons are not allowed.<BR/><BR/>If a church wants to post a sign saying "no concealed weapons", they have every right to do so, but the state cannot use a state law to punish a church employ for carrying a concealed weapon inside the building. I'm not explaining that very well, but it's an issue of who controls church property - the state or the church? <BR/><BR/>In general, this is a good change, in my opinion. But I understand the general implications and mental stigmas.Bernard Shufordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902276677689422490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-24051090565419208732009-02-12T07:56:00.000-06:002009-02-12T07:56:00.000-06:00Gives new meaning to "Pistol Packing Pastor"....It...Gives new meaning to "Pistol Packing Pastor"....<BR/><BR/>It might keep people awake if they new the PASTOR was packing! Draw it out and fire a shot when the deacons nod off????<BR/><BR/>I've got several people in my church with concealed weapons permit. I don't know if they bring 'em in or leave 'em in the car.<BR/><BR/>I honestly don't know if I have an opinion on this or not; seems surreal in some way.Rick Boynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14518041582653090943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3010404870010692022.post-71535767841300314752009-02-12T05:27:00.000-06:002009-02-12T05:27:00.000-06:00I am not against guns but have none myself. I kno...I am not against guns but have none myself. I know we have an Indiana State Policeman who comes but not sure if he carries his concealed or not. I suspect he does. I personally am uncomfortable with others but if it is concealed how can I know? So all in all I would say I have no opinion in this. as for the "Trust God not Guns" motto: say what?Bill (cycleguy)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09082407231475058958noreply@blogger.com